I renewed our membership, which had lapsed over the summer, and we went to the gardens. They had a deal, where membership was 20% off. This way our fee will almost pay for itself, when we go back again. Such a deal. They are setup now for their holiday lights show. We stayed until about four, late enough to see most of these lights switched on. I am thinking that if we come back in about a month, around solstice it might be dark enough then to fully enjoy the lights, without having to pay extra.